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Created on 2004-08-05 15:37 by atuining, last changed 2022-04-11 14:56 by admin. This issue is now closed.
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| decimal.py.patch | atuining, 2004-08-05 15:37 | patch to decimal.py | ||
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| msg46552 - (view) | Author: Anthony Tuininga (atuining) * | Date: 2004-08-05 15:37 | |
attempting to perform a comparison of None with a Decimal instance yields a type error: TypeError: You can interact Decimal only with int, long or Decimal data types. Since all other types (that I am aware of anyway) compare higher than None, it would make sense that the new Decimal type would compare higher as well. Attached is a patch that does just that. Comments welcome. |
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| msg46553 - (view) | Author: Tim Peters (tim.peters) * ![]() |
Date: 2004-08-06 05:16 | |
Logged In: YES user_id=31435 Sorry, I'm opposed to this. Silently delivering a result when comparing to None has few intelligible use cases, but does hide errors quite effectively. For this reason, it's generally true that the newer types in Python refuse non-equality comparisons with None (or with any other senselessly incompatible type). For example, >>> from datetime import date >>> date.today() < None Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? TypeError: can't compare datetime.date to NoneType >>> set([1, 2]) > None Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? TypeError: can only compare to a set >>> The new collections.deque type is an oddball in this respect, and should probably be "fixed": >>> import collections >>> collections.deque() > None True >>> |
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| msg46554 - (view) | Author: Anthony Tuininga (atuining) * | Date: 2004-08-06 13:46 | |
Logged In: YES user_id=619560 Ah, very interesting. I hadn't tried datetime data yet and that one will also be an issue for us. Let me give you a little background so you know why I am suggesting this. We are acquiring data from a database where floating point numbers are returned as decimal instances and date as datetime instances. Some of this data may be null which in DB API parlance means a None instance. Its quite annoying to have a list of data values, some of which are null and have a TypeError exception raised. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the DB API and databases in general but this behavior makes such types unusable -- which is unfortunate. We will have to subclass or write our own "Value" class that has the behavior we want. Do you have any further comments about the concept of "null" with respect to databases? Or do your existing comments still stand? The other question I would leave you with is: comparing with an empty set is quite possible, but how about an "empty" decimal or "empty" datetime instance? Thanks for the response thus far -- even if it wasn't what I wanted. :-) |
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| msg46555 - (view) | Author: Tim Peters (tim.peters) * ![]() |
Date: 2004-08-06 16:53 | |
Logged In: YES user_id=31435 Sorry, this isn't clear: > Its quite annoying to have a list of data values, some of > which are null and have a TypeError exception raised. Putting None in a list simply does not raise TypeError. What, exactly, do you do that *does* raise TypeError? The datetime and set types *do* allow mixed-type equality comparison, so there's no problem mixing None with instances of those types as dict keys, or for operations like "thing in list" or "list.remove(thing)", or for anything else that only asks about equality. "datetime.date == x" is False if x has any incompatible type, and "datetime.date != x" is True. An "empty decimal" doesn't make sense to me, and would be an extension to the IBM standard that Decimal is trying to implement faithfully. A world of semantics would need to be defined for it (what exactly does it do in all Decimal operations, under all option settings), and that's a big job. As far as general database "missing value" thingies go, Python's None doesn't reflect their natural semantics in many ways. For example, 3+None raises an exception too -- None almost never "propagates silently" in Python. |
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| msg46556 - (view) | Author: Anthony Tuininga (atuining) * | Date: 2004-08-06 17:06 | |
Logged In: YES user_id=619560 Its list.sort() that causes the issue. Clearly the concept of "null" is not really present in Python (as it isn't in many other languages) and to try to shoehorn it in in just a few places would be unwise at best. Please consider my request to patch decimal.py revoked. :-) Just as a side note. As for "empty" decimal and the like -- I wasn't actually suggesting such a thing. In PL/SQL from Oracle (and other languages) there is a null indicator associated with each variable. Thus, you can have a string that is null, a date that is null, a number that is null, etc. Unfortunately, this doesn't propagate to other languages and environments -- I am familiar with some that do it this way and some that don't and the the ones that do don't do it exactly the same way, either.... :-) |
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| msg46557 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * ![]() |
Date: 2004-08-06 19:53 | |
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The new key= argument for list.sort in Py2.4 may help assign
a temporary value to fields containing None:
mydata.sort(key=lambda v: v is None and Decimal('Inf') or v)
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| 2022-04-11 14:56:06 | admin | set | github: 40694 |
| 2004-08-05 15:37:55 | atuining | create | |
