Talk:United States presidential visits to the United Kingdom and Ireland

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Why is Ireland included here?

The UK and Ireland are separate countries; Ireland has not been part of the UK for any of the visits to what is today Ireland listed on this page. So why do they not deserve a page each? --69.191.176.33 (talk) 09:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The United Kingdom and Ireland are not 'separate countries'; Northern Ireland, which is, obviously, part of Ireland, remains within the United Kingdom. However, the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland are entirely separate sovereign states. The Republic of Ireland covers most of Ireland.

For what it's worth, I don't see the United Kingdom as being a 'country'; instead, I see the United Kingdom as being a sovereign state that is made up of several different countries (England, Scotland and Wales) and one region (Northern Ireland). A 'sovereign state' and a 'country', especially nowadays, in the early twenty-first century, are not exactly the same thing. Laggan Boy (talk) 08:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland and the UK are seperate countries. If you believe that any part of the Island of Ireland is part of the UK, then I'm confident that you also believe that Russian occupied parts of Ukraine are rightfully part of Russia. 109.78.152.185 (talk) 09:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is this relevant? KnowDeath (talk) 20:38, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Putting the UK and the Republic of Ireland on the same page for state visits is the most ridiculous thing I've seen yet on Wikipedia and that is saying a lot. What is this a holdover from 1922 when the British crown still controlled the whole of Ireland or something? I feel like this should have gotten an update since then as ROI clearly deserves its own separate table. And yes, we know that Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Manuductive (talk) 20:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Photographs

Not sure why The Republic of Ireland is included here. It's a separate state. Visits to Northern Ireland should be (and are) included as visits to the UK, of which Northern Ireland is a part. One may as have an article listing presidential visits to the UK & Denmark.

But since someone saw fit to write this strange presidential ratatouille, why are all (12) photographs of visits to the UK and not a single one of Ireland? I would have thought that JFK's visit to Ireland - at least - should have a photo. 2A00:23C8:EA01:2C00:517D:CD3E:43A2:A928 (talk) 17:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trump's 2nd state dinner

I want to add this to the table but I don't have the time to figure out the code:

| Donald J. Trump | TBD | United Kingdom | TBD | On February 27, 2025, Prime Minister Keir Starmer, on behalf of King Charles III, extended to President Trump an invitation to a state dinner. This is the first time a U.S. President has been invited to a second state banquet by the Sovereign of the United Kingdom^[1]
Manuductive (talk) 21:00, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Split proposal

This article was originally "US Presidential visits to the British Isles" and then it was renamed to the current name. Multiple good arguments have been made in the above talk topics in favor of splitting. Manuductive (talk) 23:45, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Other than Canada and Mexico, no other country has their own list, as included at Template:U.S. presidential trips. Neither individual country here "deserves" its own list. I think a better solution would be a merge with United States presidential visits to Western Europe. Reywas92^Talk 00:04, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^ Henni, Janine (February 27, 2025). "King Charles Invites Donald Trump for 'Unprecedented' Second State Visit to the U.K." People. Retrieved February 27, 2025.

[1] Henni, Janine (February 27, 2025). "King Charles Invites Donald Trump for 'Unprecedented' Second State Visit to the U.K." People. Retrieved February 27, 2025.

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