User talk:Departure–

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	Great job with the {{Tornado navbox}} template! I and others probably wouldn't have thought to make a tornado-related navigation box, so it's great to see innovative ideas being thought up at the Weather WikiProject. :) E_F⁵ 17:54, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of 2024 Tallahassee tornadoes

15:35, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of 2024 Tallahassee tornadoes

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Wrong Photo For Belvidere, IL tornado

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Nothing more to be discussed. Departure– (talk) 21:32, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hey, I have to let you know that you used a still capture from a well-known video of the 1966 Topeka, KS F5 and falsely labeled it as the 1967 Belvidere tornado. This video from Topeka is well-known, and there are no confirmed photos or videos of the Bedivere tornado. You used a picture of the wrong tornado without verifying it, which resulted in inaccurate info being published in a reckless manner. I am not going to get nasty with you, but I take dissemination of inaccurate information very seriously, and find the lack of caution and due diligence that led to this happening to be concerning. You need to be more careful, and that's all there is to it. I'm just shocked you didn't recognize that capture as being from the very recognizable 1966 Topeka video, because its a classic historic tornado video and is pretty unmistakable. Here is proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abEMnffoCQA

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 05:12, 12 March 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12[reply]

Hm. I suppose it was only a year off. Forgive me, the only two sources I could find for this event specifically used that image - or one cited the other with no attribution. This was the story: 12:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I ask that you please assume no clue. I had no idea the footage from Topeka existed, and doing a reverse image search only brings back results from the storm in Belvidere. Departure– (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You just added a still from the 1955 Scottsbluff, NE to F4 replace it. I’m a vintage tornado footage geek and I instantly recognized it. I mean come on dude. You’re just ripping random old pieces of recognizable vintage tornado video that from a random YouTube documentary with no reliable sourcing to prove that these show the Belvidere tornado. There are no known photos or videos of the Belvidere tornado, and you need to stop this. The YouTube documentary is using old classic tornado videos as a visual aid, and you are for one, not recognizing them, and two making assumptions and leaps in logic, despite no confirmation or statements from the said documentary that explicitly state these images are from Belvidere. There are NO existing confirmed images of that tornado so PLEASE just stop, and only use photos that are 100% confirmed. No more assumptions.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12[reply]

This minor dispute is getting out of hand. I don't have any reason to believe that the image isn't of the Belvidere tornado. The documentary doesn't state that it's of the Scottsbluff tornado or otherwise and there isn't any proof it isn't. Departure– (talk) 20:53, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No proof I have seen, anyway. I'm not a vintage video expert but this is, to me, an overly hostile tone over a minor dispute. How do you know that there aren't any confirmed photos of the tornado? Departure– (talk) 20:54, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, 21:08, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What about 21:13, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the official page by the National Weather Service. — E_F⁵ 21:18, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That video at the beginning is from the Gilbert, IA F2 of 2005. Most of the damage is from Belvidere though. I know that no videos of the Belvidere tornado exist because I am an autistic person who catalogs vintage tornado imagery, and tries to dig up undiscovered media with likeminded people. No confirmed tornado imagery from Belvidere has ever been found by anyone, ever. I would know if there was, and so would the people I am in contact with. I also have a borderline photographic memory and can recognize most tornadoes and where they occurred instantly. The problem is that saying that there’s nothing stating it ISN’T the tornado in question isn’t enough. Reverse image searches aren’t enough either. There has to be explicit info on where the image is from, and no assumptions or deductions. Throughout this discussion you’ve screen capped three mis-attributed tornado images or videos in a row, so doesn’t that prove my point about why explicit location confirmation is important?

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 21:21, 12 March 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12[reply]

This is a relatively niche problem that I don't think would have been brought up anywhere else. I'm closing this because there isn't anything else to be discussed here. I do think you're a little too dead-set on "winning" this dispute, but I really don't feel like escalating this any more than it has been. Departure– (talk) 21:32, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Source for the current tornados in Missouri, Illinois, Arkansas and Mississippi

I got the source from the weather.gov website and from the Tornado Warning bulletins on that site.

Is that a reliable source or is it not? Thank you for answering! DetectiveClarinet15 (talk) 04:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not as-is. Typically, sourcing would come from a local news story - it's not good practice to write about ongoing individual tornadoes unless such sourcing exists. See also mesoscale discussions, which occasionally focus on individual tornadoes. Departure– (talk) 04:28, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for telling me about this, and for introducing me to a mesoscale discussion.

Your advice helped me! DetectiveClarinet15 (talk) 04:29, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also saw your file File:March 14 2025 wind warnings.png which I observe is taken from the weather.gov website itself.

However I also saw that it's not the actual picture, but rather a screenshot of it (as the actual picture wouldn't have the links for American Samoa, Guam and Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands).

You can copy and paste the image.

Just a tip for next time. Thanks for contributing! DetectiveClarinet15 (talk) 10:07, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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March 14 info

Hi! Can you add citations to the meteorological synopsis paragraph you wrote on the March 14 article? It's well-written, just uncited. E_F⁵ 20:03, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's the same citation cited at the end of the paragraph. I'll add it momentarily. Departure– (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. :) E_F⁵ 20:06, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

About "Kentwood, Louisiana/Tylertown-Bassfield, Mississippi tornado"

The tornado more than definitely reached tylertown and bassfield, as a tornado emergency and high cc drop (0.208 or 20.8%) was observed GDJackAttack1 (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We go off of what surveys say instead of what radars say (see 2024 Greenfield tornado. The latest 14:52, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see where you're confused. Kentwood LA/Darbun/Society Hill/Carson Tornado... is the one that hit Kentwood, Bassfield, and Tylertown. Tylertown/Darbun/NW Marion County Tornado... is a second one that hit around the same areas, just around 30 minutes later. .N Bassfield/W Collins Tornado... is a tornado that happened more than an hour after the original tornado already dissipated. Taylorsville Tornado... was the remains of the Kentwood LA/Darbun/Societ Hill/Carson tornado's storm.

GDJackAttack1 (talk) 15:38, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Current) surveys show the tornado moving south of Osyka, Mississippi, north of Lewiston, Mississippi, west to north of Tylertown, Mississippi, over Melis, Mississippi, west to north of Darbun, Mississippi (which took a hit from the EF3), through Whitebluff, Mississippi, near Society Hill, Mississippi, and west to north of Bassfield, Mississippi before dissipating west north of Santee, Mississippi. It's the same tornado. — E_F⁵ 14:53, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It didn't hit Bassfield, though. That isn't included anywhere in the survey text, so why put it in the header? Departure– (talk) 14:53, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because Bassfield is one of the larger towns it went by. — E_F⁵ 14:54, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, 14:57, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That WDAM source mentions that an EF0 struck Bassfield, which isn't the same as saying the EF4 tornado in the section hit there. Also, TimesNewsNow strikes me as an incredibly unreliable source for weather purposes, often reporting in a sensationalist manner and taking preliminary observations as flat-out fact and I'd like to see a better source for that. Departure– (talk) 14:59, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TimesNowNews describes it as a "tornado emergency", and spells Bassfield as "brasfield" in the story; as it contains Prentiss, which to my knowledge wasn't in any survey, I think they just copied from the tornado emergency warning text issued - i.e. reporting on a tornado emergency as a confirmed "tornado has hit XY confirmed". TimesNowNews is also based in India and seems to be at quite an editorial disconnect with more local sources which should be prioritized. Departure– (talk) 15:05, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the header in that case, wouldn't it be more helpful to write the actual towns it hit; Kentwood, Carson, Society Hill? It dissipated closest to Collins and its location relative to Bassfield isn't mentioned anywhere in the survey. Departure– (talk) 15:00, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily. The Mulhall tornado is the most famous example of a tornado being named after a city it didn't hit. It missed Mulhall to the north by around a mile, but, since it still caused damage, it was named after Mulhall.

GDJackAttack1 (talk) 15:41, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 1997 Jarrell tornado never actually hit Jarrell proper! E_F⁵ 15:42, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't think that's a relevant example, as there were towns this tornado hit, whereas the area the Mulhall tornado went over were largely rural. Departure– (talk) 15:43, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cimarron City. But also, in that case, we shouldn't add Society Hill into the name because that is a very rural community.

GDJackAttack1 (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, shouldn't we be looking for reporting in third-party reliable sources? This is Wikipedia, after all. Departure– (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WDSU: 15:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also can't find any major reporting on Bassfield that isn't on the 2020 tornado or the late-night EF0. Departure– (talk) 15:48, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

see 15:49, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I already brought up my grievances with TimesNowNews above. Departure– (talk) 15:50, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many sources^[1]^[2] state the tornado as Tylertown or Bassfield GDJackAttack1 (talk) 15:48, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That source is reporting on a video, was released before damage surveys, and doesn't mention Bassfield. Departure– (talk) 15:49, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"A tornado emergency struck Mississippi on Saturday, with violent tornadoes devastating Prentiss and Bassfield in Jefferson Davis County and Silver Creek in Lawrence County. Earlier, a tornado hit northeast of Tylertown, causing severe damage. The ongoing severe weather outbreak has killed at least 17 people nationwide." GDJackAttack1 (talk) 15:50, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Tornado outbreak of March 13–16, 2025

On 18 March 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Tornado outbreak of March 13–16, 2025, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede 66 19:05, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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