Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universal Pantheist Society (2nd nomination)

Universal Pantheist Society

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I thought that this could be cleaned up, and I thought that I had found an actual source on the subject, an encyclopaedia article on this very thing — only for my hopes to be dashed when I checked the article author Harold Wood Jr in the author listing of ISBN 9781441122780 and found that xe is the founder of this organization.

The one real claim to sourcing in the prior AFD discussion was that Special:Permalink/153980923#External links means that the article "is referenced". It was not. It is not. The article itself pointed and points solely to the organization's own WWW site and what used to be the personal WWW site of one of its directors. On the organization's own WWW site is 17:25, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Religion. Shellwood (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are quite a lot of mentions of this, but it's hard to sort out them from any sigcov that may exist. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:04, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You also have to see whether it's written by Harold Wood Jr, which all of the ones that I turned up turned out to be. One turns up a 1999 Encyclopaedia of Associations entry, for example, and it turns out that it points to the organization's old AOL site by Harold W. Wood Jr. Uncle G (talk) 18:30, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I found 04:08, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Have you actually, though? That Melton article spends most of its time explaining pantheism and doesn't get to the subject of the society until the penultimate paragraph, most of which is in quotation marks, with an annotation at the foot of the page that www.pantheist.net is the source; the Society's more recent WWW site. Uncle G (talk) 20:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If citing primary sources for what a group believes for our secondary/tertiary sources made them unreliable then would we have any sources for any religion? We can't cite them directly but of course someone who is analyzing their beliefs is going to cite their primary source materials (an analysis of Christian beliefs as expressed in the Bible would not be of much worth if it came from someone who had not read the Bible). I would question it more if they did not. And as to the length yeah it could be longer but it's not worthless. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:26, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If I fail to find more sources/a better target, I would support a merge to Pantheism, since Melton explicitly connects the group to wider ideas about Pantheism PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:09, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:19, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. It's ironic, given the nominator, but we need more participation here from editors who are willing to cast "votes" otherwise it's up the closer's interpretation which is often labeled a "supervote" which the community has criticized in the past.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:00, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]