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I teach 11th and 12th grade honors physics, and I have a question about solving the following problem: (source: Giancoli's Physics)

Two objects attract each other gravitationally with a force of 2.5 x 10^-10 when they are 0.25 m apart. Their total mass is 4.00 kg. Find their individual masses.

All of the solutions I found for this problem use the quadratic equation (QE) to solve for the two unknown masses. I'm mathematically lazy, so instead of using the QE and being done with it, I spent at least 30 minutes trying to think of another route that did not involve the QE. Then it hit me: "Solve for the acceleration of the system!"

So, I used Newton's Second (F=ma) and Third (sumF=0) Laws to set the total force equal to the product of total mass and the acceleration of the system. I thought of doing this on the analogy of solving pulley problems as a system instead of the sum of forces on each individual mass/object. When I found the resulting acceleration (dividing the total force by the total mass), I then substituted that acceleration into g = (G m) / (r^2). Rearranging to solve for "m" which gives m = (a r^2) / G . Below are the values I had for all the variables:

acceleration = 6.25 x 10^-11 m/s/s

radius = 0.25 m

and the gravitational constant $G \approx 6.6743 \times 10^{−11} \frac{\text{m}^3}{\text{kg} \cdot \text{s}^2}$

The calculated value for "m" comes out to something like 0.058 kg or approx. 0.06 kg, which is one of the values produced by the QE (+/- 0.06 kg), the other mass then being 3.94 kg.

Now for the real question: Why does solving for the acceleration of the system (using Newton's laws) provide the same value for one of the masses found by using the QE?

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  • $\begingroup$ This question was double-posted to P.SE as physics.stackexchange.com/q/865308 $\endgroup$ Commented 12 hours ago
  • $\begingroup$ more accurately $0.059409$. the quadratic formula tells you the masses, given their sum (stated) and product (inferrable from force); your method is not correct, since your division by the total mass should have been by the mass of the other object; since the other object is $66.3298$ times larger, it occupies about 98.5148% of the total mass, which for you appeared to be within experimental error. $\endgroup$ Commented 12 hours ago

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1. The usual (quadratic) method

From the force law

$$ m_{1}m_{2}= \frac{Fr^{2}}{G}. $$

Hence the two unknown masses satisfy

$$ x^{2}-Mx+\frac{Fr^{2}}{G}=0 . $$

Solving the quadratic gives

$$ m_{1,2}= \frac{M\pm\sqrt{M^{2}-4\frac{Fr^{2}}{G}}}{2} \approx 0.0594\ \text{kg}\quad\text{and}\quad 3.9406\ \text{kg}. $$


2. What the “system‑acceleration’’ approach actually computes

Treat the whole pair as a single object of mass (M).
Its acceleration (the magnitude of the relative acceleration) is

$$ a=\frac{F}{M}= \frac{2.5\times10^{-10}}{4.00}=6.25\times10^{-11}\ \text{m/s}^{2}. $$

If we now write the gravitational field equation

$$ a=\frac{Gm}{r^{2}}\qquad\Longrightarrow\qquad m=\frac{ar^{2}}{G}, $$

and substitute the expression for (a),

$$ m=\frac{\displaystyle\frac{F}{M}\,r^{2}}{G} =\frac{Fr^{2}}{GM} =\frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{m_{1}+m_{2}} . $$

The quantity

$$ \boxed{\mu\equiv\frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{m_{1}+m_{2}}} $$

is the reduced mass of the two‑body system.
For the numbers in the problem

$$ \mu=\frac{0.2341\ \text{kg}^{2}}{4.00\ \text{kg}} =5.85\times10^{-2}\ \text{kg}\approx0.059\ \text{kg}, $$

which is exactly the smaller mass obtained from the quadratic.


3. Why it coincides with the lighter mass

When one body is much lighter than the other, $(m_{1}<<m_{2}$),

$$ \mu=\frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{m_{1}+m_{2}} =\frac{m_{1}(M-m_{1})}{M} =m_{1}-\frac{m_{1}^{2}}{M} \approx m_{1}, $$

because the correction term $\frac{m_{1}^{2}}{M}$ is only a few percent ($m_{1}/M\approx0.015$ here).
Thus the reduced mass is numerically very close to the lighter mass, which explains the apparent agreement.


4. When the trick does not give an individual mass

If the two masses are comparable, the reduced mass is not equal to either mass. For example, with

$$ m_{1}=m_{2}=2\ \text{kg}, $$

the reduced mass is

$$ \mu=\frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{m_{1}+m_{2}}=1\ \text{kg}, $$

while each actual mass is $2\ \text{kg}$.
Therefore the “system‑acceleration’’ method only yields a useful result when one mass is much smaller than the other; otherwise the quadratic (or an equivalent algebraic system) must be solved.

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    $\begingroup$ The Wikipedia article Reduced mass is fairly good. $\endgroup$ Commented 12 hours ago
  • $\begingroup$ +1 hey we both agree~ $\endgroup$ Commented 12 hours ago
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    $\begingroup$ Is this AI generated? $\endgroup$ Commented 6 hours ago

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