Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/19

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Number of floors / Stockwerke /

Status: Done

→ Property:P1101

Description: Number of floors of a building
Datatype: Number
Links: w:fr:Modèle:Infobox Monument
Infobox parameter example:
Comments: Wylve (talk) 12:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

16:06, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

09:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

08:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

What about more than one property, for instance "total number of floors" and "number of floors above ground" ? Wikidata infoboxes allow free-text, and we need to have more properties, if we want to be as detailed here. --Zolo (talk) 08:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

20:01, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

13:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Status: Done

→ Property:P1106

Description: any kind of values
Datatype: QuantityValue / Number (dimensionless) - (1 Sandbox type per available data type)
Domain: any kind of values
Infobox parameter: any/generic (but more for testing than productive)
Comments:

To be honest I am badly informed about wikidata, just to make that clear. I do think that I need a property to be created in order to store values, please confer Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot and Wikidata talk:Infoboxes task force#Feasibility of DrTrigonBot/Subster to update Wikidata. Thanks for all your help and patience. Greetings --DrTrigon (talk)

Sorry. What do you need ? An property with a numeric datatype ? Or a property representing a numeric concept with a string as datatype ? If I take your example with swiss franc you want something like "currency division" to give the nominal value of each coin/note ( 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.5, 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200, 1000)? Snipre (talk) 21:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

In fact I think a good thing would be a generic property (e.g. "DrTrigonBot Value" or even more generic "Bot Value") for the bot in cases when it has data to write for which no property was created yet - as it is the situation right now for a property "Currency Exchange Rate" (or similar) that is needed for swiss franc. This would allow the bot to already be tested or used without having the need to create always the suitable/correct property before being able to check if the bot works at all (in that specific situation), e.g. That would be a really good and useful/helpful thing! Thanks a lot for considering this and Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 21:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Just for a test you can see if there is a property in request for deletion using string as datatype or a property which not used in a lot of item or finally try on the demo version of wikidata. Snipre (talk) 22:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thats clear, currently I am using something else. Also the demo was already used to adopt the bot code. What I need is something permanent. In future and daily (usual) operation there will always be a case where you have to test, since the bot is freely configurable from here - by any user. --DrTrigon (talk) 22:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I think testing bots should not be done on the productive Wikidata, except in the sandbox.--Faux (talk) 17:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

It is not testing bots, but testing setups - as on wikipedia itself you will always have situations were you have to change something, modify setup of data, configuration and so on... at least that is what holds for me. Then I have to disagree because testing of bots is needed, e.g. in order to fullfill the bot flag request a given number (e.g. 250) of test edits have to be done. And there will in future clearly be other situations - as soon wikidata will be used frequently... Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I mean ... it does not need to be something bot specific, what about general maintenance (for human users)? I would even more support such a property, that can be used if it is e.g. not clear yet what property to use, one has to be renamed, other name conflicts or anything else... --DrTrigon (talk) 20:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Why not simply a sandbox property per datatype ? I do not see what harm can be done with that, as long as it is clear that it is a sandbox. --Zolo (talk) 21:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good! (+1) Thanks for the idea! Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 22:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Do you plan using that sandbox property only on sandbox/test items, or also on production items? --Faux (talk) 12:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I do not see anything wrong in using it other items. It will not look very good, and if we can avoid using it too massively, that is better, but raw Wikidata items do not look very good anyhow. The important thing is that it does not unintendedly get transcluded to Wikipedias and other clients. And as long as they do not query sandbox statements, I see no reason for that to happen. --Zolo (talk) 12:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

So... are we done here, or for what are we waiting? ;) If you agree I would step forwards and create following 3 properties:

Label: Sandbox-CommonsMediaFile / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Commons Media File" / Data type: Commons Media File
Label: Sandbox-Item / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Item" / Data type: Item
Label: Sandbox-String / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "String" / Data type: String

any comments or thoughts on this? Thanks and Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 10:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok here we go:

so these can be considered done but I think it makes sence to propose the future ones too and set them to the pending page:

Label: Sandbox-Quantity / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Quantity" / Data type: Quantity
(and all other data types to be introduced in future...)

Thanks for all your help! Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 01:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

total number of pages

Done: number of pages (P1104) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Total number of pages that contains the book, article, etc.
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	Mainly published materials.
Example	A Game of Thrones 1st ed UK hardback <total number of pages> 672
Proposed by	--Micru (talk) 01:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

01:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Wrong datatype – should be number. -- MichaelSchoenitzer (talk) 18:42, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Changed!--Micru (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

18:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
08:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

13:25, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

number of platforms / Anzahl der Bahnsteige /

Status: Done

→ Property:P1103

Description: The number of platforms
Datatype: Number (Integer)
Links:
Infobox parameter example:
Comments: Wylve (talk)

21:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

19:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Changed title to reflect what this actually is. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

19:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

16:09, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

17:01, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

13:24, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

national team caps (en)/ nastupa za reprezentaciju (hr)

Done: national team appearances (P1129) (Talk and documentation)

Description	A number of appearances of player for national team.
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	20:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Comment. Isn't his just going to be problematic? Constantly changing on a day by day basis. Seems like a maintenance nightmare waiting to happen. I would not have thought that trying to capture rapidly dynamic information was of value. Maybe it is different when people have retired from a sport. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

At least on enwp, there are people that do this sort of updating fairly often, though I don't follow well enough to know if they bother after every single match, or just every so often. I would wonder if it is just an enwp thing to update, or is the work getting done multiple times per player per match, in which case the proposal makes sense. Courcelles (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

00:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

20:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

01:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

09:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

14:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

employees

Done: employees (P1128) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Total amount of employees of a company at a single point in time
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	Country, region and city articles for the Global Economic Map. Company articles
Source	http://opencorporates.com/
Robot and gadget jobs	Bots should be doing this task
Proposed by	Mcnabber091 (talk) 19:22, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

20:51, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
00:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
19:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
03:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
14:58, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Number of participants / Anzahl Teilnehmer / nombre de participants

Done: number of participants (P1132) (Talk and documentation)

Description	number of participants of an event, e.g. people or groups of people that actively take part in the event
Data type	Quantity
Template parameter	"Athletes participating" in 18:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

number of tournament victories in singles / Anzahl Turniersiege im Einzel

Done: no label (P1131) (Talk and documentation)

Description	number of singles tournaments the player won
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	"singlestitles" in en:template:Infobox tennis biography
Domain	tennis players
Example	Rafael Nadal (Q10132) => "57"
Proposed by	Kompakt (talk)

Discussion

A further specification of the tournament's category (e.g. ATP, WTA, ITF), which is used in the infoboxes for many players, can be done using a qualifier.--Kompakt (talk) 03:00, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

12:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
07:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
16:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

number of tournament victories in doubles / Anzahl Turniersiege im Doppel

Done: no label (P1130) (Talk and documentation)

Description	number of doubles tournaments the player won
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	"doublestitles" in en:template:Infobox tennis biography
Domain	tennis players
Example	Rafael Nadal (Q10132) => "8"
Proposed by	Kompakt (talk)

Discussion

A further specification of the tournament's category (e.g. ATP, WTA, ITF), which is used in the infoboxes for many players, can be done using a qualifier.--Kompakt (talk) 03:00, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

12:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
07:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
15:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

DGO4 identifier

Done: Classified properties and protected areas of Wallonia ID (P1133) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Direction générale opérationelle identifier (Wallonia)
Data type	String
Template parameter	52011-PEX-0001-02
Source	fr:Modèle:Exceptionnel Wallonie
Proposed by	Fralambert (talk)

Discussion

As other heritage property ID. Fralambert (talk) 19:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Located at (village/neighborhood/park)

Done: no label (P1134) (Talk and documentation)

Description	property that describes the location of an item in a specific village or neighborhood. This property is needed to locate e.g. a railway station in a village/neighborhood; the location of a heritage monument; the location of a statue; the location of a building or construction, etc. At the moment there is no property to link such items with their location: when we use the administrative location (municipality) property located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) we are always limited to administrative area's which is not sufficient. A separate property is needed and will be used next to P131: some municpalities are also a 'village'.
Data type	Item
Template parameter	several infoboxes use a 'location' field that also includes not-administrative areas
Domain	place
Example	In these examples we can see the use of this property; here we can not use P131: Pijnacker Zuid (Q2414454) => Pijnacker (Q968044) , Noorderkerk (Q613854) ==> Jordaan (Q1401387)
Proposed by	Michiel1972 (talk) 10:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Discuss

Agree but rename as 'Located at' and use with domain = places smaller than admin units - buildings, villages, streets. 86.6.107.229 20:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
As proposer of this property, I would even think that located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) is too narrow defined: it can be easily derived if the item is a (sub)class of an adminstrative unit. Isn't it better to create 1 property for "location" that doesn't only focus on the administrative unit? Michiel1972 (talk) 12:56, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
22:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Holger1959, you wrote: "located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) concentrat[es] especially on the next higher administrative level". I agree with you in theory but in practice I have seen a lot of time that the property was used with several values. To force that only the next higher level should be included, one could add a single value constraint at Property_talk:P131. The cleanest "administrative tree" one can get at the moment IMO is by using contains the administrative territorial entity (P150). --Zuphilip (talk) 23:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
23:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
19:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Comment If I understand, it sould be:

Sable Island (Q1336091) --> <Located at (village/neighborhood/park)> --> Sable Island National Park Reserve (Q4133141)
Sable Island National Park Reserve (Q4133141) --> located in/on physical feature (P706) --> Sable Island (Q1336091) (the two items have the same limits)
And finally Sable Island (Q1336091) or Sable Island National Park Reserve (Q4133141) --> located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) --> Halifax Regional Municipality (Q2141)

It is exact? --Fralambert (talk) 19:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

23:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

nomenclatural status

Done: nomenclatural status (P1135) (Talk and documentation)

Description	The status of a scientific name, according to the relevant rules of nomenclature (code of nomenclature (P944), compare: [1])
Data type	Item
Domain	taxa
Allowed values	nomen conservandum (Q941227) (nom. cons.) nomen conservandum propositum (Q15708833) (nom. cons. prop.) nomen utique rejiciendum (Q15149791) (nom. utique rej.) nomen conservandum propositum (Q15708833) (nom. utique rej. prop.) nomen illegitimum (Q1093954) replacement name (Q749462) (nom. illeg.) replaced synonym (Q15709329) basionym (Q810198) nomen oblitum (Q901847) nomen protectum (Q15709300)
Example	Cactaceae (Q14560) => nomen conservandum (Q941227) used as qualifier to taxon name (P225)
Proposed by	Succu (talk)

Discussion

The information instance of (P31) => nomen conservandum (Q941227) originally provided in Cactaceae (Q14560) was highly disputed at project chat. The are some more usecases (see Capparis gibbosa A.Cunn. (1841) (Q15149571) or Andrea Mez (1896) non Andreaea Hedw. (1801) (Q15298633)). Darwin Core (Q5225953) contains a vocabulary (see 12:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead.
14:25, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

17:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I have a lot of questions and worries. To start: this is going to be a property, not a qualifier? This would work if there were a rule of only one name per item, which would be fine by me for better than 99% of the items.

A lot of the terms above have no nomenclatural meaning, but are taxonomic (or obsolete). Some are ambiguous (in what sense is "nomen alternativum (nom. altern.)" used here), or relative. I would indeed like "replacement name" added, and also "later homonym".

I certainly would not use the vocabulary at the Darwin Core [brr!], but rather a more reliable source - Brya (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

This "property" should be used as a qualifier to taxon name (P225). Please understand the provided list as an example which kind of information could be expressed. Of course we can and should discuss the details. I commented out "replacement name" because we have replaced synonym (for nom. nov.) (P694). --Succu (talk) 19:59, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps it should say so ("to be used as a qualifier"). I am not so sure about "replacement name": I would be inclined to have a link in both items "Arbor novum is a replacement name for Arbor erronis" as well as "Arbor erronis is the replaced synonym for Arbor novum". This would be good for new combinations, as well.

Some provisional notes:

~~nomen abortivum (nom. abort.)~~: does not mean anything to me; not a name
nomen alternativum (nom. altern.) : to be defined
nomen ambiguum (Q2533362): a taxonomic status?

--** combinatio nova (comb. nov.) -->

nomen confusum (nom. confus.): a taxonomic status?
nomen conservandum (Q941227): yes
nomen conservandum propositum (nom. cons. prop.): yes
nomen correctum (Q2372065): something dubious in zoology?
nomen dubium (Q922448): a taxonomic status
nomen illegitimum (Q1093954): yes
nomen invalidum (nom. inval.): catch-all, but incompatible with taxon name (not a name)
nomen negatum (nom.neg.): something dubious in zoology?
replacement name (Q749462): better a separate property?
nomen nudum (Q844326): useless distinction? = nom. inval. (not a name)
nomen oblitum (Q901847): only in zoology and should be only used as part of a pair with nomen protectum -> thus a separate property

--** opera utique oppressa (opus utique oppr.) : needs to be rephrased, and even then not really useful = nom. inval. (not a name)

orthographical variant (orth. var.): surely we are not going to have separate items for orthographical variants
nomen protectum: only in zoology, and should be only used as part of a pair with nomen oblitum -> thus a separate property
nomen provisorium (nom. provis.): useless distinction?
nomen rejiciendum (nom. rej.): this is ambiguous. If not a "nom. utique rej. prop.", it is relative and should be only used as part of a pair -> thus a separate property
nomen rejiciendum propositum (nom. rej. prop.): see above
nomen utique rejiciendum (Q15149791) : yes
nomen utique rejiciendum propositum (nom. utique rej. prop.): yes
nomen subnudum (nom. subnud.): quite dubious (informal term), but might (occasionally) be useful?
nomen superfluum (nom. superfl.): useless distinction? = nom. illeg.

I make that five useful terms: 1) nom. cons., 2) nom. cons. prop., 3) nom. illeg., 4) nom. utique rej., 5) nom. utique rej. prop. As well as a number of new properties to be made that could be useful. - Brya (talk) 18:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Pairs that would really benefit by new properties:

nomen oblitum - nomen protectum
basionym - subsequent name(s)
replaced synonym - replacement name

Also:

"later homonym of"
"hetertypic synonym(s)"
"homotypic synonym(s)"

Brya (talk) 15:58, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

If I understand your comments right you principally agree with my proposal. Mind to vote? Your suggestions are welcome, but you should file a formal property proposal. l--Succu (talk) 23:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I think the basic idea is a good one. At this stage I still do not really know what exactly I would be voting on. - Brya (talk) 06:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

04:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
22:10, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

12:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

GHS hazard pictograms

Not done

Description	GHS hazard pictograms
Data type	Commons media file
Template parameter	fr:infobox chimie, en:chembox, de:Chemikalien
Domain	chemistry
Allowed values	file:GHS-pictogram-skull.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-silhouete.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-rondflam.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-pollu.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-flamme.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-explos.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-bottle.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-acid.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-exclam.svg
Example	sodium azide (Q407577) = file:GHS-pictogram-skull.svg, file:GHS-pictogram-pollu.svg
Source	22:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

12:12, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
13:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Please provide an explanation. I doubt that what was discussed there is applicable here. --Leyo 14:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wait for there.--GZWDer (talk) 11:09, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

number of isotopes

Not done

Description	number of isotopes a given element has
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	Chemical elements
Example	hydrogen (Q556) --> 7
Source	Wikipedia articles "Isotopes of ____"
Proposed by	--Jakob (talk)

20:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

+1 If we have an item for each isotope the number can be defined through the query of all isotopes of an element. Snipre (talk) 20:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

@Tobias1984, Snipre: If we create items for all isotopes, then yes. This of course assumes that all isotopes are notable. --Jakob (talk) 22:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

14:50, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

14:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

solved by

Done: solved by (P1136) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Person who solve the problem. See en:Template:Unsolved_problems.
Data type	Item
Example	Fermat's Last Theorem (Q132469)=>Andrew Wiles (Q184433)+Richard Taylor (Q712170); Green–Tao theorem (Q922012)=>Ben Joseph Green (Q792628)+Terence Tao (Q295981)
Proposed by	GZWDer (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. GZWDer (talk) 12:25, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

14:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

No, you solve a problem, for example whether or not there is an answer to a question, and you prove a theorem. The question can be wheter or not there is an infinite number of prime numbers, which is a problem, the answer is yes, and the proof makes "there is an infinite numbers of prime numbers" a theorem. The question has been answered by Euclid, by proving the theorem. TomT0m (talk) 17:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

22:27, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

14:59, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

fossils found in this unit

Done: fossil found in this unit (P1137) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Lists the fossils that are found within a stratigraphic unit.
Data type	Item
Domain	bed, member, formation, subgroup, group, supergroup
Allowed values	fossils
Example	Hell Creek Formation (Q917642) = Tyrannosaurus (Q14332)
Proposed by	--Tobias1984 (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

This will enable us to generate lists of stratigraphic units, in which certain fossils are found. The reason to go "stratigraphic unit --> fossil" is that I suspect that stratigraphic units have less statements and that index fossils would get very many statements in which formation they are found. But that is open for discussion. The property might also double as a qualifier for statements about geologic time units. --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I indeed wondered why you choose this direction. The property "t-rex" -> in stratigraphic unit -> "Holocene" seems more fitting to me, as you can easily select all units in which T-Rex bones where found so far but you cannot find all taxa which lived in the Jurrasic. — Felix Reimann (talk)

@FelixReimann: I think for queries both would work equally fine. Having both properties would have the advantage of very good constraint violation control. The temporal range of fossils can also be checked against the temporal range of the units they were found in, giving us additional validation. By the way: Have you thought about adding support for temporal range start (P523) and temporal range end (P524) for the WikiData Taxobox? --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

@Tobias1984: not yet. But this is in principle no problem. However, I'm not sure if we should distinct fossils (which then get a palaeobox) from extant taxa (and extant extincted taxa) with instance of (P31)="fossil taxon". But I'm not sure if the definition "fossil=extincted before Holocene" is non-controversial.

@Tobias1984: first draft implemented. check it out! — Felix Reimann (talk) 13:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the proposed property: I'm not sure if you really gain something if you have both, a property A->B and a property B->A. For checking constraint violations, you can use queries (and while they are not implemented, 09:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

@FelixReimann: Wow, that was fast with the temporal range. Thank you very much. About the proposal: Ok lets do only one. I will try to get a few people from WikiProject Paleontology to give their opinion. There is also the question what kind of qualifiers should go with the property. For large fossils it might be interesting to know if the skeleton is complete or just some bones. From a stratigraphic point of view a qualifier for the position in the stratigraphic column would be useful. Often times fossils only occur in one horizon which might have a separate Wikipedia entry. --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Pinging a few people that might want to comment: @Succu:, @Brya:, @Chris.urs-o:, @King jakob c 2: --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:10, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Another example (hypothetical):

1. Nanotyrannus (Q15310631)

found in stratigraphic unit = Hell Creek Formation (Q917642)

parts = skull (Q13147) (Qualifier)
coordinates = 3934 N 40843 E (Qualifier)
in museum = Natural History Museum, Berlin (Q233098) (Qualifier)
catalogue number = 3094349-IEI (Qualifier)
in horizon = Bone Bed Horizon 1 (Only for notable bone-beds)
specimen age = juvenile

The other way around it would look like this:

2. Hell Creek Formation (Q917642)

fossils found = Nanotyrannus (Q15310631)

parts = skull (Q13147) (Qualifier)
coordinates = 3934 N 40843 E (Qualifier)
in museum = Natural History Museum, Berlin (Q233098) (Qualifier)
catalogue number = 3094349-IEI (Qualifier)
in horizon = Bone Bed Horizon 1 (Only for notable bone-beds)
specimen age = juvenile

Please vote on which direction seems more sensible. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:10, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

02:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

@Emw: I would say no, because a geological formation (Q736917) is not really a place but a slice of lithostratigraphy and a slice of time. There might be some ambiguity because notable fossils will have a discovery place and a geological formation (Q736917) in which the discovery was made. --Tobias1984 (talk) 10:29, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Votes

I have no strong feelings here. My expectation would be that this would work great for some select cases (in either direction), but that in many other cases there would be so many data that it would be close to useless. However, this is not based on a close familiarity with the field. - Brya (talk) 17:33, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

As outlined above, I vote for number 1. — Felix Reimann (talk) 12:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
@Emw: Do you know if there are any semantic web standards for this yet? --Tobias1984 (talk) 20:01, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Tobias, RDF, RDFS and OWL do not support qualifiers. There are some ideas on how to represent Wikidata qualifiers in those languages, but it will likely be kind of a hack. Concretely, I think this means qualifier-centric data will be a pain to deal with in SPARQL, the W3C recommendation for querying Semantic Web data, and a likely future direction for Wikidata queries. So I think it makes sense to use qualifiers sparingly. The examples above use qualifiers rather heavily.

Furthermore, when I look at the examples, I see them describing an instance of a class -- an individual organism of a taxon. A fossil is obviously a long-since-deceased and materially diminished form of the specimen, but ultimately it represents an individual organism. I would recommend creating a new item for such things, and linking them to the taxon via instance of (P31).

This would make it straightforward to link multiple specimens to a given taxon or stratigraphic unit. The qualifier-centric approach in the examples above makes that impossible, or at least quite cumbersome. Emw (talk) 21:29, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. For notable specimen we create items and greatly reduce the number of qualifiers. For non-notable specimens we just link to the taxon and try to use as little qualifiers as possible. --Tobias1984 (talk) 21:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

@Tobias1984: For the record, a discussion about rdf/owl and nary relations 23:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

@TomT0m: Thanks for the link. To be honest I have to read these text around 10 times until I have a grasp of what they are saying. - What do you think about this property? Are we compliant enough with semantic web and which direction should the property point to? --Tobias1984 (talk) 23:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Conditional support I'd support this, but I think the name should be changed to "fossil found in this unit" (singular instead of plural) since the object should be one fossil, and the word "lists" taken out of the description. Editors here know, in general, that a property like this can be used multiple times, right? I also agree with most of what Emw wrote above, not because I think we should eschew qualifiers in general, but because I think in the example given, some of the things that were qualifiers would be better coded as properties on the specimen. So, I'd change it to:

2. Hell Creek Formation (Q917642)

fossils found = Nanotyrannus (Q15310631)

coordinates = 3934 N 40843 E (Qualifier)

IMO, all of the other relations ("parts", "in museum", "catalogue number", etc.) would be better if they were statements on the specimen itself, or qualifiers on those statements. Klortho (talk) 02:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

@Klortho: Sounds like a good idea. Notable fossils get an item with more properties. Non-notable fossils just get a statement. Can you still give your opinion if the data should be stored with the formation or the fossil:

1. Nanotyrannus (Q15310631)

found in stratigraphic unit = Hell Creek Formation (Q917642)

or

2. Hell Creek Formation (Q917642)

fossil found in this unit = Nanotyrannus (Q15310631)

Pinging more frequent property reviewers @GZWDer:, @Ivan A. Krestinin:, @Paperoastro:, @Secretlondon:, @Danrok:, @Micru:, @Zolo:, @Jakec:, @Emw:. --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not very familiar with this domain, so I won't give an opinion on which direction is more sensible. Klortho (talk) 19:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

13:22, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

@Jakec: The amount of clutter is going to be pretty equal with both choices. Fossils can be found in hundreds of formations, and some formations can contain hundreds of fossils. On Wikipedia choice number 2 is the standard. For example 18:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

15:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Date added to the NRHP

Not done

Description	Date that an object was added to the National Register of Historic Places
Data type	Point in time
Template parameter	"added" in w:Template:Infobox NRHP
Domain	Places on the National Register of Historic Places
Example	Sullivan County Courthouse (Q7636402) --> December 15, 1978
Source	I'm sure there's a database of NRHP listings somewhere.
Robot and gadget jobs	If there's an NRHP database, yes, a bot would be useful.
Proposed by	--Jakob (talk)

Discussion: 17:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

17:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Article have a property

Not done

Description	This item have a property
Data type	Item
Example	Russian State Library (Q1048694) => RSL ID (person) (P947), Virtual International Authority File (Q54919) => VIAF cluster ID (P214), Open Library (Q1201876) => Open Library ID (P648), Find a Grave (Q63056) => Find a Grave memorial ID (P535)
Source	Wikidata list article
Proposed by	Пробегающий (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. Пробегающий (talk) 06:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

16:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

has kind

Not done

Description	kinds of item
Data type	Item
Template parameter	binds infobox with items
Example	Tartaric acid has kinds: L-(+)-tartaric acid, D-(−)-tartaric acid, mesotartaric acid, racemic acid
Proposed by	BattlePeasant (talk)

Discussion

Additional storage elements. Example (see infobox): 09:43, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

12:22, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree, if is introduced SQL. BattlePeasant (talk) 19:17, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Oppose, for the same reasons as Snipre (even if he does not use instance of correctly). --Izno (talk) 00:45, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

17:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Kunstindeks Danmark name

Done: Kunstindeks Danmark Artist ID (P1138) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Heritage Agency of Denmark (Q1290144), Used in https://www.kulturarv.dk/kid/VisKunstner.do?kunstnerId=***
Proposed by	GZWDer (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. GZWDer (talk) 16:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

16:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

08:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

04:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

17:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

PPN (Pica Production Number)

Not done

Description	A catalog record numbering system, uniquely identifying records, used by PICA (Project voor geIntegreerde Catalogus Automatisering) integrated library systems.
Data type	String
Domain	books, authors, publishers
Allowed values	a numeric string of 9 characters
Example	Theo van Doesburg (Q160422) ==> http://support.oclc.org/ggc/richtlijnen/php/showPresentation.php?id=13&ln=nl&par=p-050
Proposed by	Husky (talk)

Discussion

This is the standard number used in most Dutch libraries, and some German libraries as well. Documentation is a bit sparse (especially in English) but a description from OCLC in Dutch is available here. These PPN's are already linked in VIAF, so it might make sense to do an import from there.

23:31, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for noticing that. I must say that my knowledge of all these identifiers is a little too limited, so i asked a colleague to weigh in on this subject. Husky (talk) 09:59, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Moved this back from the archive. The Nationale Thesaurus voor Auteursnamen ID (P1006) is not the same as a PPN. The PPN is an ID that is used for multiple purposes in the 11:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Of cause P1006 is not "the PPN" in general, since it makes no sense to add numbers that are ambiguous. The PICA system is used by various libraries. As you already noticed it may be a number of a book or an authority record. You can add two or three of these numbers and never know to which library they belong. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

AFAIK PPN's are not unique to a single library. For example, here's a book with the same PPN in the catalogues of the 14:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

teacher

Done: student of (P1066) (Talk and documentation)

Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5)
Example	Alexander the Great (Q8409) -> Aristotle (Q868)
Proposed by	Zolo (talk)

Discussion

We already have student (P802) but "teacher" is usually more important (a professor usually has more influence on her students than the other way around) and usable in more items (more people have had professors than students) --Zolo (talk) 18:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

21:39, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

@emw:,

08:30, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

we should use the properties student (P802) and student of (P1066) not only for a person but also in relation to the school/academy/institute. So student of (P1066): person or institute who has taught this person see Pablo Picasso (Q5593)/Royal Academy of Fine Arts of San Fernando (Q1322403)--Oursana (talk) 12:09, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

For the institutes, we already have educated at (P69). --Shlomo (talk) 23:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

floors below ground

Done: floors below ground (P1139) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the total number of below ground floors of the building
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	place
Allowed values	whole numbers
Example	Taipei 101 (Q83101) => 5
Source	infoboxes, Emporis, Structurae, etc.
Proposed by	Danrok (talk) 23:26, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Discussion: This is essentially the same as floors above ground (P1101) except for below ground floors. Danrok (talk) 23:26, 31 January 2014 (UTC); 23:33, 31 January 2014 (UTC); 18:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC); 18:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Estonian Administrative and Settlement Classification

Done: EHAK id (P1140) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Estonian Administrative and settlement unit codes
Data type	String
Domain	Estonian admin units and settlements
Example	Sample: Loksa (Q213740) => 0424
Source	http://geoportaal.maaamet.ee/index.php?lang_id=1&page_id=119
Proposed by	WikedKentaur (talk)

Discussion

EHAK codes for administrative units and settlemets are used by Estonian Statistical Office and other state agencies. WikedKentaur (talk) 15:41, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

20:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

18:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

09:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

18:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

valvetrain configuration

Done: valvetrain configuration (P1078) (Talk and documentation)

Description	configuration of the valvetrain utilized by the engine
Data type	Item
Template parameter	07:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

07:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

21:02, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

00:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

14:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Fictional entities from creative works

is in narrative

Done: from narrative universe (P1080) (Talk and documentation)

Description	subject fictional entity is in object narrative
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"series" in en:Template:Infobox fictional location; others
Domain	instance of (P31) => subclass of (P279) => fictional entity (Q14897293)
Allowed values	instance of (P31) => subclass of (P279) => work (Q386724)
Example	Prince Hamlet (Q2447542) => Hamlet (Q41567) Thought Police (Q1264653) => Nineteen Eighty-Four (Q208460) Albus Dumbledore (Q712548) => Harry Potter (Q8337) & Harry Potter (Q216930) Tatooine (Q723764) => Star Wars (Q462)
Proposed by	Arctic.gnome (talk)

Discussion

20:59, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
In the proposal for the similar property narrative location (P840), it was said that it could also be used for non-fictional narratives. Would the proposed property also be usable for nonfiction? --Yair rand (talk) 18:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Interesting question. I'm inclined to say no. The question of which work a fictional entity is from is a defining feature of that entity. Real-world entities, on the other hand, are notable for something else and it's only incidental to their notability that they have a book about them. Also, we would have to somehow find a way to cap the number of narratives that a real-world entity has listed; how many narratives feature Napoleon or New York City? Probably way too many to list. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 01:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
@Arctic.gnome: I would think that the same would apply just as well to elf (Q174396). --Yair rand (talk) 14:09, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
@Yair rand: True, but I would say that the defining feature of "elf" is being a mythological creature, whereas the the defining feature of "jedi" is being from Star Wars. Maybe a more accurate title for what I have in mind is "invented in the fictional work" --Arctic.gnome (talk) 17:41, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
That substantially narrows down possible uses for the property. If the object is always going to be the "source" narrative, so to speak, then I think both the label and the description should be modified. "Invented" might not be the correct term, though. I don't think people tend to refer to characters as being "invented", in general. --Yair rand (talk) 18:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

How about "from narrative" or, more specifically, "originally from narrative"? Narrowing scope is fine. I mostly just wanted a way to link pages like Narnia or Thought Police back to their source material. For items that have hundreds of books about them, like Napoleon or dragons, it might be a better idea to link from the work's page using a property like "is a work about". It might seem counter-intuitive for me to propose one property from the subject and one property from the work, but I'm trying to minimize the number of times we have to have giant lists of 100 links for one property. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 06:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
15:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
What property would be used for that? Should we create a property called "contains fictional entities" that lists every character and fictional object in the story? For long stories with a large editing base, like Harry Potter, there would be a huge number of items linked. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

This property, character role (P453), for example. As used here: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (Q102438). Danrok (talk) 17:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

We already have characters (P674), actually... --Yair rand (talk) 19:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

19:02, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

04:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

13:13, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Number of cores

Done: number of processor cores (P1141) (Talk and documentation)

Description	amount of processing cores in the chip.
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	CPU
Example	Core i5-760 (Q15223620) : 4
Source	Intel website, for Intel processors
Robot and gadget jobs	Robots can gather info on the Intel website and fill the property with it.
Proposed by	MisterSanderson (talk)

Discussion

I want to add information to the CPU items, but there aren't enough properties to that. MisterSanderson (talk) 14:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

07:51, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

18:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

BN (Argentine)

Done: BN (Argentine) editions (P1143) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Catalogue number for books (editions) in the National Library of the Argentine Republic.
Data type	String
Domain	books
Allowed values	numeric string
Example	El Señor Presidente (critical edition) (Q15220486): No. Sistema: 000188710
Source	Mariano Moreno National Library (Q1319177) (BN): Catálogos
Proposed by	Kolja21 (talk)

Discussion

The largest library in Argentina and one of the most important in the Americas. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:50, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Library of Congress Control Number LCCN editions

Done: Library of Congress Control Number (LCCN) (bibliographic) (P1144) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Catalogue number for books in the United States' Library of Congress
Data type	String
Template parameter	LCCN in 11025047
Source	Library of Congress
Proposed by	AdamBMorgan (talk)

Discussion

The existing Property:P244 appears to be for individual people; this is the equivalent control number for books. AdamBMorgan (talk) 03:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

03:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

06:43, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

07:32, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

+1. These problems are discussed by Wikidata:Books task force. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

01:04, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

No, this proposal is about the catalog no. of a single book. The classification (of the content) is something else. One of the most popular classification systems is Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036). --Kolja21 (talk) 02:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

abbreviation

Not done

Description	to be used additionally to "Also known as:"
Data type	String
Domain	none
Allowed values	any
Example 1	MISSING
Example 2	MISSING
Example 3	MISSING
Proposed by	MovGP0 (talk)

Discussion

The "Also known as:" field gives not enough semantic depth to distinct between a pseudonym (alias), an abbreviation, an acronym, initials, and plurals. Therefore additional properties should be introduced to reflect this. MovGP0 (talk) 05:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Agree, but I am not sure string-datatype is the best solution. -- Lavallen (talk) 19:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

10:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

14:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

political ideology

Done: political ideology (P1142) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the political ideology of this organization, person
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"ideology" in 15:58, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

03:20, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
07:22, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

lagrange / libration point

Done: Lagrangian point (P1145) (Talk and documentation)

Description	The libration point at which a space craft is
Data type	Item
Template parameter	Infobox space flight: orbit_reference?
Domain	space craft
Allowed values	L1 to L5
Example	Gaia (Q767805) = L2 (probably no items for these yet)
Format and edit filter validation	subclass of lagrange point / libration point
Source	technical sources
Proposed by	Tobias1984 (talk)

Discussion

00:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Problem is, that type of orbit (P522) is already mixing a few things: The altitude of the orbit (LEO, MEO), The movement relative to earth (GSYN, GSTAT), .... - We have to find a way to separate those different kinds of information. The libration points in my opinion should go together with this statement: type of orbit (P522) = heliocentric orbit (Q737809). --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:44, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

16:51, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

14:45, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

number of instances

Status: Done

→ Property:P1114

@Macadamia1472, Yair rand, Paperoastro, TomT0m, Klortho, Emw: 18:43, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Quantity

Not done

Description	to be used as a qualifier, like in the production statistics property
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Example 1	MISSING
Example 2	MISSING
Example 3	MISSING
Proposed by	Zolo (talk)

07:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

06:27, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

11:36, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I have fixed the datatype and added a link Wikidata:Property proposal/Economics as I forgot to update that after page move. What I want is to be able to say. Country X: key production satistics: wheat: quantity: 250 000t, car: quantity: 20,000 units but actually I see in Wikidata:Requests for comment/Dimensions and units for the quantity datatype that quantity with unit datatype will be "associated with properties on creation" so this would not really work (we should rather have: wheat: mass: 250,000t, cars: number of instances: 20,000). --Zolo (talk) 08:53, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Zolo, a couple of comments. I see what you are referring to about the units datatype, but I don't think changing the datatype of this to "number" is a viable solution. We could ask on the discussion page over there if there's any possibility of defining properties that take any generic scalar quantity as an object, with dimensions determined at statement-creation time. Otherwise, you would need a qualifier on this qualifier, to determine the units, and I don't think that's supported or reasonable. Also, I didn't see any link (which you said you added) from Wikidata:Property proposal/Economics to this discussion, so I added one here. Klortho (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

21:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
@Zolo: Do we still need this property? --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

@Tobias1984: No I don't think so :-]

I think the formal description of number of episodes (P1113) and quantity (P1114) would be somewhat different. viz Simpsons: series length: 541: does not mean that there are 541 instances of The Simpsons (Q886) (as opposed to what "US states: number of instances: 50" means) --Zolo (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

@Zolo: - Great thanks. I'll archive this in the next run. And now I think I understand p1113 and p1114. Do you have time to vote on the proposal for mathematical constants (bottom of this page). --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:45, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

IAAF ID (en) / identyfikator IAAF (pl)

Done: World Athletics athlete ID (P1146) (Talk and documentation)

Description	ID in the IAAF database
Data type	String
Domain	item
Example	Julius Sang (Q1712939) => "234182"
Source	http://www.iaaf.org/
Robot and gadget jobs	yes
Proposed by	MATEUSZ.NS _talk 18:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

IAAF ID

Done: World Athletics athlete ID (P1146) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Athlet IDs in International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) database and website
Data type	String
Template parameter	184599
Proposed by	--putnik

Discussion

Main reference for athlets. --putnik 18:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

19:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
18:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

14:46, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

neutron number (number of neutrons)

Done: neutron number (P1148) (Talk and documentation)

Description	number of neutrons of an isotope
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	Infobox Isotope
Domain	Isotopes
Allowed values	Positive integers: $\mathbb {N} =\{0,1,2,\ldots \}.$
Example	tritium (Q54389) = 2
Format and edit filter validation	Single Value, Positive integers: $\mathbb {N} =\{0,1,2,\ldots \}.$

Discussion: 01:03, 14 February 2014 (UTC); 18:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC); 18:27, 16 February 2014 (UTC); 21:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Library of Congress Classification

Done: Library of Congress Classification (P1149) (Talk and documentation)

Description	a system of library classification developed by the Library of Congress.
Data type	String
Domain	class, book
Allowed values	[A-Z][A-Z]?/d*
Example	social science (Q34749)=>H
Proposed by	GZWDer (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. GZWDer (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Was the "Item" datatype for this and the two proposals below deliberate? --Yair rand (talk) 06:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) is a string.--GZWDer (talk) 11:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

GZWDer, your examples are strings (e.g. 'H'). Do you want LCC classifications to be items or strings? John Vandenberg (talk) 11:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

All should be string.--GZWDer (talk) 12:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

14:01, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
13:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
03:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
09:21, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
20:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Regensburg Classification

Done: Regensburg Classification (P1150) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Regensburg Classification (Q2137453): Classification system mainly used by German libraries. (English version: introduction)
Proposed by	Kolja21 (talk)

Discussion

Pretty helpful if you visit an institute library in Germany. You'll find your literature much faster. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

09:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia portal

Done: topic's main Wikimedia portal (P1151) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Wikimedia portal associated with this topic
Data type	Item
Example	Europe (Q46) => Portal:Europe (Q4997598))
Source	Wikipedia portal boxes used on same-name articles
Proposed by	Bjung (talk)

Discussion

Topics and their associated Wikimedia portals are currently not explicitly linked on WD. It seems to me they should be, because it's useful information to have that is only implicit on Wikipedia and other projects. A reverse property "Wikimedia portal main topic" should probably be created too. -- Bjung (talk) 05:21, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

The names should be changed to "topic's main portal" and "portal's main topic" for consistency with "topic's main category" and "category's main topic."--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 13:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

23:55, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

IPTC Media Topic

Done: no label (P1152) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Topic classification following the IPTC Media Topics vocabularyhttp://cv.iptc.org/newscodes/mediatopic/
Proposed by	Duesentrieb (talk)

Discussion

Generally, IPTC as a standard is widely used by GLAMS, and it is useful for cross-referencing.

Specifically, IPTC media topics are often used in 09:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

16:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

It would be set on the type item. We would be mapping their media topic vocabulary to Wikidata items, not usign their vocab to classify Wikidata items. -- Duesentrieb (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Duesentrieb, I haven't found any previous work for the mapping, do you plan to do it as an automated task?--Micru (talk) 16:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

04:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Scopus Author ID

Done: Scopus author ID (P1153) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Scopus uses a unique identifier for each author, but sometimes the person has more than one author record in scopus.
Data type	String
Domain	person
Example	Jonathan A. Eisen (Q2000017) => 7005368498, Marc Greenberg (Q15217445) => [4] Each university in Australia has its own database of Scopus Author ids for their academic staff, as the Australian government research data collections have required it since 2008, and research data repositories also record it[5].
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

ORCID is slowly being adopted, but Scopus Author IDs are what research organisations actually typically use, for good or ill. Scopus extracts the author information on publications03:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

00:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

The scopus author profiles (including affiliation) are publicly accessible and searchable. I have added more examples, which includes every item with ORCID iD (P496), where the ORCID record includes the Scopus Author ID and links to Scopus Author profiles.
Is there a policy or guideline against private companies? If so, IMDb ID (P345) is also owned by a private company, Amazon (Q3884). FilmAffinity film ID (P480) is also commercial. Even ISBN-10 (P957)/ISBN-13 (P212) can be commercial; in Australia they are issued by Q15265427. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:58, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to the "Free Lookup Form" but if I want more information I have to pay: "Login Required to Access Scopus". The database of Amazon.com is completely free but I would also oppose a property for e-commerce. There are no general restrictions against private companies but against paid content. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:48, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

IMDB is not completely free. Amazon only provides the first layer of IMDB information free, and you need to pay to access IMDbPro. Find a Grave memorial ID (P535) and Emporis building ID (P455) are the same. We also have Google Books ID (P675) (which links to lots of ecommerce functionality). You say that you can access the webpage links that I provide, but call it paid content. It is freely accessible public profiles of every active researcher of the world, in nearly every discipline of research, and those freely accessible webpages contain information that you will not find in any other system, like h-index, publication counts, primary disciplines. Most of the DOIs on Wikipedia and Wikidata are going to be e-commerce. Scopus is not e-commerce. You can't buy anything on any Scopus website. Either you have access to their advanced functionality, or .. you don't and can't get it. Scopus only enter into institution licenses, like OCLC, to provide additional services for institutions and academics. John Vandenberg (talk) 04:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

04:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

The main problem I see here is that a given researcher may have more than one Scopus ID (e.g. due to a change in affiliation or research subject, or after marriage). I don't have access now but I once found 3 or 4 IDs for me. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 04:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Mietchen, those are only artifacts of the person publishing under different names, which all databases suffer from in this domain. Scopus has a process to have identities merged, which may be initiated by the author, the institution, or by Scopus themselves. Scopus does not want multiple identities for the same person, it is not in their commercial interest; they win bids for large bibliometrics contracts based on having high quality identity data, and in Australia at least the data is almost perfect since 2003 as each institution works closely with Scopus to fix any author identity problems during the government audit of research activity. See the many 04:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

08:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC) We add value by linking to external sources.. Scopus is hardly the only resource and as its open competition does a better informative job, they will increasingly do better.

Scopus EID

Done: Scopus EID (P1154) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Scopus uses a unique identifier for each academic work.
Data type	String
Domain	creative work
Example	The dynamics of contractual and relational governance: Evidence from long-term public–private procurement arrangements (Q15262220) => w:Scopus. Each university in Australia has its own database of scopus EIDs for their academic outputs since 2003.
Robot and gadget jobs	It looks like VIAFbot may be interested: Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/VIAFbot/Meeting agenda
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

Academics will often search Scopus for a paper to cite; lets make it easy for them to create a source item and add source clauses. Also Scopus EID are used in the data warehouse of most universities, in order to extract citation counts out of Scopus via the Scopus API. We have a proposal to add 'impact factor' (Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#impact_factor), and I expect a proposal for 'citation count' to be coming soon ;-) Adding a link to scopus allows academics in wikidata to quickly jump to Scopus to see the citation count, and view related academic papers. This ID is needed to query the Scopus APIs. John Vandenberg (talk) 03:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Following the issue raised by Kolja21 above regarding datasources that require a subscription, it may be that links to publications in Scopus do not always work without a subscription. I am not sure, as I havent seen any official statement from Scopus that publication pages are always accessible via Scopus Preview (as opposed to author profiles, which are public).
However I have tried it using a random scopus ID I saw last night ( this info from a third party website which says "Non-subscribers of Scopus can view all articles on the Scopus Preview page with limited functionality." John Vandenberg (talk) 02:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi John, the links work fine but as said above a free preview is not enough. We have the same problem with the NYT and other reputable publishers: If they only provide a preview for their articles the external links in Wikipedia will be deleted. Sorry --Kolja21 (talk) 03:12, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

04:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Scopus Affiliation ID

Done: Scopus affiliation ID (P1155) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Scopus uses a unique identifier for each organisation in author affiliations.
Data type	String
Domain	organisation
Example	University of Sydney (Q487556) => 60025709
Source	[7]
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

Scopus has a very good database of affiliation for research articles, and for the academics, and most importantly includes hierarchical information about the structure within organisations and relationship between organisations. Public library data and DOI data is typically sourced only from the publication metadata, which includes lots of errors in affiliation (misspellings, use of non-legal entity names). This ID is useful for querying the Scopus APIs. John Vandenberg (talk) 03:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

04:05, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Scopus Source ID

Done: Scopus source ID (P1156) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Scopus uses a unique identifier for each source/publication venue (journal, conference, etc).
Data type	String
Domain	journal (which is both a creative work and an organisation)
Example	Journal of Fluorine Chemistry (Q3186914) => w:Scopus.
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

Scopus has a very good database of journals, and includes publisher, issns, SNIP and SJR indexes, and subject area (fields of research, discipline) classifications. This ID is not very useful for querying the Scopus APIs regarding publications, and mandatory to use for using the Scopus API to access information about journals. John Vandenberg (talk) 03:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

The data can be imported from 01:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

04:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

US Congress Bio identifier

Done: US Congress Bio ID (P1157) (Talk and documentation)

Description	A identifier for the listing of the person on the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress.
Data type	URL
Template parameter	http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=L000268
Proposed by	Clarkcj12 (talk)

Discussion

It is a good source to have on politicians in the United States Congress. Past and present. Clarkcj12 (talk) 01:48, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

02:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

02:22, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

04:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

landing site

Done: location of landing (P1158) (Talk and documentation)

Description	where the craft landed
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"landing_site" in 21:34, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Discussion: 21:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

CODEN

Done: CODEN (P1159) (Talk and documentation)

Description	no:Mal:Infoboks forskningstidsskrift, zh:Template:Infobox journal, etc
Domain	creative work
Example	Nature (Q180445) => NATUAS
Format and edit filter validation	six characters, uppercase, either all alphanumeric or two digits and four alphanumeric.
Source	Chemical Abstracts Service Source Index - http://cassi.cas.org/
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

These codes are useful for scientific journals of all kinds, but are especially useful for conference proceedings (Q1143604), and have been most heavily used in Chemistry. Part of Wikidata:Periodicals task force. John Vandenberg (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

17:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

ISO 4 abbreviation

Done: ISO 4 abbreviation (P1160) (Talk and documentation)

Description	The List of Title Word Abbreviations (LTWA)
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

Widely used attribute of journals. Used in many citation style guides. Part of Wikidata:Periodicals task force. John Vandenberg (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

16:12, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

13:08, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Z39.5 abbreviation

Done: Z39.5 abbreviation (P1161) (Talk and documentation)

Description	en:template:infobox journal
Domain	creative work
Example	Journal of the American Chemical Society (Q898902) => J Am Chem Soc
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

I am less sure about the need for this, as it is mostly the same as the ISO 4. It is in many citation style guides. John Vandenberg (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Bluebook abbreviation

Done: Bluebook abbreviation (P1162) (Talk and documentation)

Description	http://lib.law.washington.edu/cilp/abbrev.html
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

This is the standard abbreviation used in Law citations, esp Bluebook, but also standards in other countries. John Vandenberg (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Internet media type

Done: media type (P1163) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Internet media type (aka MIME type), see w:Internet media type
Proposed by	Rezonansowy (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. Rezonansowy (talk) 19:26, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

TV Series - Episodes

Not done

Description	Number of episodes per season a TV series has run for (also can replace Seasons if a TV series only has one Season)
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	nonnegative integers (including 0 if the TV series was planned but never produced); or positive integers (excluding 0 if we can leave out this parameter entirely)
Example	The X-Files (Q2744)
Proposed by	TeleComNasSprVen (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 21:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

00:06, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

released (en)

Not done

Description	Release dates
Data type	Point in time
Template parameter	released
Domain	movie
Example 1	MISSING
Example 2	MISSING
Example 3	MISSING
Source	Infobox film
Robot and gadget jobs	import from infobox
Proposed by	Madri2 (talk) 11:52, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion: 00:09, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Elevation in metres

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Even though we don't know exactly how the number with unit type is going to work, it's pretty clear that this isn't necessary. --Izno (talk) 02:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done

Description	height of a geographic location above or below the Earth's sea level in metres
Data type	String
Template parameter	e.g. "elevation_m" in en:template:infobox mountain
Domain	place
Allowed values	number
Example	Matterhorn (Q1374) => 4478
Source	Wikipedia list article (infobox)

Discussion

22:22, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Group order

Done: group cardinality (P1164) (Talk and documentation)

Description	The number of elements in a finite group
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	term
Allowed values	positive integers
Example	dihedral group of order 6 (Q2204630) => 6; Klein four-group (Q550593) => 4; Mathieu group M11 (Q6787235) => 7920; Conway group Co3 (Q5166742) => 495,766,656,000
Source	e.g. Helder

Discussion

We should be able to indicate the order of any finite group. Helder 16:16, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

16:48, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Alternative (but less common) names would be "Group size" or "Cardinality of the group". Helder 17:53, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Home world

Done: home world (P1165) (Talk and documentation)

Description	The home world/planet of the fictional entity
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"homeworld" in en:template:infobox fictional race etc
Domain	fictional races/aliens
Example	Romulan (Q268082) => Romulus (Q2786172)) / Orcs in Tolkien's legendarium (Q937840) => Middle-earth (Q79734)
Robot and gadget jobs	import data from infoboxes
Proposed by	105.236.219.79

Discussion

105.236.219.79 13:38, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

00:22, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

USB ID

Done: USB vendor ID (P1167) (Talk and documentation)

Description	ID's used in USB devices
Data type	String
Domain	vendors, devices, subsystems and device classes
Example	Sony => 054c
Source	https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/read/UD/
Proposed by	FischX (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. FischX (talk) 18:33, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Municipality code (DA/DK)

Done: municipality code (Denmark) (P1168) (Talk and documentation)

Description	id for municipalities in Denmark
Data type	String
Template parameter	"Kommunekode" in 21:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

07:07, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Impact factor

Done: no label (P1169) (Talk and documentation)

Description	impact factor for the academic/scientific journal in question
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Template parameter	"impact" in Impact factor
Proposed by	Pikolas (talk)

Discussion

w:Eigenfactor, as they are quite clear they hold no IP rights over the data (10:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Gewässerkennzahl (de) – (Please translate this into English.)

Done: Gewässerkennzahl (P1183) (Talk and documentation)

Description	A number to hydrographically order rivers and streams
Data type	String
Template parameter	GKZ
Domain	river / stream
Allowed values	two-digit-countrycode / number
Example	GKZ= DE/48214
Source	infobox
Proposed by	Ogmios (talk)

Discussion

GKZ are given on most rivers and streams in european countrys. Including them makes it easier to cross-reference entries with other sources. Ogmios (talk) 09:44, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

19:20, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

08:38, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

DDBC (Dharma Drum Buddhist College) person ID

Done: Dharma Drum Institute of Liberal Arts person ID (P1187) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Used in http://authority.ddbc.edu.tw/person/search.php?aid=***
Proposed by	GZWDer (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. GZWDer (talk) 16:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

11:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
- see 12:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
12:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

04:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@GZWDer, John Vandenberg, Emw: 13:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

DDBC (Dharma Drum Buddhist College) place ID

Done: Dharma Drum Institute of Liberal Arts place ID (P1188) (Talk and documentation)

Description	spilted from above. see http://authority.ddbc.edu.tw/place/
Data type	String
Example	Mount Lu (Q622616)=>PL000000018775, Nanjing (Q16666)=>PL000000058470
Proposed by	GZWDer (talk)

Discussion

Motivation. GZWDer (talk) 16:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

11:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
12:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

04:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@GZWDer, John Vandenberg, Emw: 13:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

LIBRIS editions

Done: LIBRIS editions (P1182) (Talk and documentation)

Description	ID for the items in the libris-cataloge about specific books
Data type	String
Template parameter	`libris` in source-templates on sv.wikipedia
Domain	~~works~~ editions, mainly books
Allowed values	books
Example	2241335 in The bible of Peter Fjellstedt (Q10625094)
Source	the libris-catalogue
Proposed by	Lavallen (talk)

Discussion

Originally SELIBR ID (P906) was proposed to link to works. But somewhere on the road, the purpose shifted to be about Authors instead. This is a remake of the original purpose! Lavallen (talk) 18:11, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

23:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

handle

Done: Handle ID (P1184) (Talk and documentation)

Description	1200 uses, and other languages with <20 uses); and Template:Cite hdl (Q7624305). 10462/eadarc/7154
Source	Handle System
Proposed by	John Vandenberg (talk)

Discussion

Handles are used for digital objects, especially by photographs by GLAMs and research papers held in academic digital repositories. The example provided is a Wikisource transcribed digital object provided by a GLAM. I can also provide an example of a notable research paper with a handle if required, but that will take a bit more searching. John Vandenberg (talk) 18:02, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

22:04, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

here's Rembrandt's Nightwatch

Example does not work ... GerardM (talk) 08:11, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- It worked a few days ago. "Many ejournals and databases will be unavailable 9pm 2 February until 7am 3 February 2014 due to hardware upgrades." --Kolja21 (talk) 02:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
  - Seems to work again... Husky (talk) 10:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

mode of inheritance

Done: mode of inheritance (P1199) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the manner in which a particular genetic trait or disorder is passed from one generation to the next
Data type	Item
Domain	phenotypic trait (Q1211967)
Allowed values	one of: autosomal dominant (Q15729063), autosomal recessive (Q15729064), X-linked dominant (Q3731276), X-linked recessive (Q1988987), codominant (Q15729070), mtDNA transmission (Q15729075)
Example	Bloom syndrome (Q1469646) mode of inheritance: autosomal recessive (Q15729064)
Source	Biomedical literature and databases
Proposed by	Emw (talk) 02:17, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

This property would help capture Mendelian inheritance information about genetic disorders. Emw (talk) 02:36, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

22:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Emw: Whats the motivation of your proposal. I see no explanation. --Succu (talk) 22:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Succu, thanks for the reminder. I've added the motivation above. Emw (talk) 02:36, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

17:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

20:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Conflict, TomT0m. The French article sitelinked in dominant trait (Q6531938) is about 23:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

@Emw, Filceolaire, Succu, TomT0m: 21:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Finnish municipality number

Done: Finnish municipality number (P1203) (Talk and documentation)

Description	number of a Finnish municipality
Data type	String
Domain	municipalities in Finland
Example	Vaasa (Q125080) = 905
Source	Statistics Finland
Proposed by	Stryn (talk)

Discussion

This is great. I'll give this two supporting votes for the price of one. --Pxos (talk) 22:43, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Should I give one too.--Urjanhai (talk) 22:47, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I support this too. --Zache (talk) 03:02, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
06:16, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I think datatype should be string instead of Number as it displays listing/authority control rather than Quantity. What you say? -Nizil Shah (talk) 20:29, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, string it is and not a number. --Pxos (talk) 10:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

My mistake. Corrected now. --Stryn (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)